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Some hints about airlines: Many cut price airline lease by wet or dry leases planes to carry their passengers. They cut corners wherever they can as this is the name of the game. Offer cheap fares in return you have an alternative to fly. However the pitfalls are many from Office staff not having good PR, to even no help if the plane is delayed!! and many other things. In Thailand the airlines are fined if 3 hours late? It is hard to check on an airline that offers cheap fares but look at the fine print and when you buy a ticket check refunds, changes, offers etc. Normally a lot of airfares will offer discount 1 way fares at very cheap prices. However they do not say about the surcharges, tax, fees added which can be more than the fare.

Maintenance is also a worry as no frills may mean no regular maintenance of their planes as good as an airline does. We have a 1st Officer who flew for a local airline and he had to ground the airline due to bad tyres??The owner couldn't afford the maintenance. Some pilots are on lower salaries & not experienced than airline pilots?? again a factor fault. But tell us if you have a problem. RMEMBER IF THE PLANE IS LATE YOU ARE LATE

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Nok's idle 737s rankle lessors

Nok Airlines' decision to ground six leased Boeing 737-400s as part of its survival plan has led to contractual complications with two global aircraft lessors. Gecas, part of the US corporate giant General Electric, and the Netherlands-based AerCap, have both insisted that the Thai budget carrier, commonly known as Nok Air, honour the lease deals for the five single-aisle jetliners.
Nok Air is negotiating with the two aircraft lessors to terminate with default charges the five-year contracts which were entered into in 2006, a time when the business prospects of low-cost carriers looked promising. But Nok Air chief executive Patee Sarasin is optimistic about reaching a settlement with Gecas and AerCap. ''They understand our situation and are unlikely to deal with the issue harshly as Nok Air was on time in paying the lease charge,'' he told the Bangkok Post. The airline, with 39% ownership by Thai Airways International (THAI), leased four B737-400s from Gecas and one from AerCap. All are being grounded. Nok Air is only using three of the four B737-400s leased from THAI, partly due to the competitive terms in the contract with the national carrier. The fourth B737-400 leased from THAI is left idle. Last May the budget airline returned two Boeing 737-800s, a newer aircraft in the B737 family, leased from the British charter airline XL Airways, upon the end of the contract. Hit by skyrocketing fuel prices, a slowdown in demand, plummeting consumer confidence and mounting losses, Nok Air has recently begun to significantly curtail its operations. Its flights were slashed to 25 a day, from 79 previously, as the airline is struggling to stay afloat. Management won a major reprieve from shareholders earlier this month by committing to a rehabilitation package that includes cutting salary of senior staff by 20-25% and workers 10%. Since July of last year, Nok Air has posted a cumulative loss of more than 114 million baht, mainly because of oil prices. The losses occurred because future ticket sales were priced based on lower crude oil but the oil costs incurred by Nok when the travel was made by passengers were much higher than projected. Mr Patee reported that the reduced capacity had enabled Nok Air to increase load factor to a high of 90% in the past two weeks. There should not be any major fallout in terms of reduced consumer confidence arising from the Department of Civil Aviation's order last week to ground the budget airline One-Two-Go and its parent carrier Orient Thai Airlines.
''People perceive us as being closely associated with THAI and that helps with public image,'' he said. He is cautiously optimistic about the effect of the recent decline in crude oil prices. ''There is light at the end of the tunnel but the problem is we are in the dark as to how long this downtrend will persist,'' he said. ''If crude oil prices were maintained at around $120 a barrel, our chances of breaking even are increased.'' The airline is also assessing the possibility of increasing aircraft utilisation from nine hours a day to 12 if demand warrants, according to Mr Patee. In the past month, Nok Air increased its fares by 20% to better reflect its higher costs.
source: Bkk Post July 30 2008


One-Two-Go ponders temporary grounding Nok seems OK & Asia Airlines may cut corners
source: Bkk Post July 16 2008

Founder approaches 'a painful decision' The founder of One-Two-Go Airlines is taking a long, hard look at the possibility of ceasing the budget carrier's flight operations in a damage-control exercise at a time of skyrocketing fuel prices and declining traffic demand. Udom Tantiprasongchai told the Bangkok Post that he was seriously pondering whether to ground One-Two-Go ''temporarily'' on mounting cost pressures and poor business outlook. ''I'm not lying to myself about the reality of the situation. A painful decision needs to be made,'' he said. One-Two-Go is one of the three Thai no-frills carriers, all of which are struggling with fuel prices that have doubled in the past year to above $170 a barrel.

Nok Airlines, 39% owned by Thai Airways International, is also facing troubles, since last July losing 114 million baht. Nok recently won a reprieve from shareholders to continue to fly after the management committed to a rehabilitation package including downsizing of operations, halving the fleet, and cutting salaries of senior staff. With the package, Nok hopes to return to a break-even point over the next six months and turn a profit in the following six months.

Meanwhile, Thai AirAsia is fighting to curtail losses this year, adopting some methods that are unconventional for low-cost carriers, to boost revenues and keep seats filled even it means they do not offer any profit margin. The no-frills carrier could be in the red again this year but hoped the losses would be less than in 2007, chief executive Tassapon Bijleveld has said. Mr Udom's plan to suspend One-Two-Go was also influenced by a sense of betrayal from his two local rivals, which earlier agreed to adopt a survival package a few weeks ago but failed to follow through. It was agreed that the trio would avoid price-cutting while increasing fuel surcharges, raising fares, reducing capacity and dropping low-traffic routes. Mr Udom said domestic fares needed to go up by 30% from current levels to about 2,500 baht per leg. The average domestic fares charged by Thai Airways International is roughly 2,200 baht, compared with 2,000 baht for One-Two-Go, and 1,500 baht for Thai AirAsia and Nok Air.

Fuel surcharges would need to increase to better reflect high fuel prices. Starting on July 5, One-Two-Go raised its fuel surcharge by 100 baht to 850 baht a leg. Fuel now accounts for 70% of its total operating costs, according to Mr Udom. The higher percentage of fuel is due to its use of eight ageing and fuel-thirsty MD 80 series jets.

''In this kind of environment, anyone can go (bust) anytime,'' he said. As a prelude to to a more drastic decision, One-Two-Go has cut frequencies on several routes, with the number of Bangkok-Chiang Mai and Bangkok-Phuket flights down to 21 a week from 28, Bangkok-Hat Yai halved to seven a week, while those to Chiang Rai and Nakhon Si Thammarat are down from seven to two flights per week.                                                                                              Mr Udom said he was considering the futures of 700 employees working for One-Two-Go in case of a shutdown, though he did not rule out retrenchment possibilities.
Options for the employees could include accepting severance pay, leave-without-pay arrangements, and enrolling in some training courses. The closure of One-Two-Go, which started flying in December 2003, may not be for good, he said. ''If the situation improved with fuel prices being lowered and the profitability outlook was better, we could be airborne again.'' Mr Udom declined to detail the financial impact that the airline industry downturn had had on One-Two-Go, saying only, ''We are financially sustainable.'' But he insisted that the parent carrier, Orient Thai Airlines, would continue to operate, flying chartered services and scheduled flights to Hong Kong and Incheon near Seoul. Earlier this year, Orient Thai branched out into freight service by creating the country's first dedicated cargo carrier, Orient Thai Cargo, deploying two used Boeing 747-200Fs, acquired from Japan Airlines.

One-Two-Go Airlines IN Thailand is on the watchlist of aviation authorities and subject to more stringent safety standard certification, following a near-collision with another commercial aircraft on Dec 15. Still reeling from the Sept 16 fatal crash in Phuket, the budget carrier faces fresh image problems related to the competence of its foreign cockpit staff and reliability of its ageing MD-80 jetliners.

One-Two-Go in hot seat again


Thailand Incident with Nok jet draws scrutiny


One-Two-Go Airlines is on the watchlist of aviation authorities and subject to more stringent safety standard certification, following a near-collision with another commercial aircraft on Dec 15. Still reeling from the Sept 16 fatal crash in Phuket, the budget carrier faces fresh image problems related to the competence of its foreign cockpit staff and reliability of its ageing MD-80 jetliners. Wuthichai Singhamanee, the deputy director-general in charge of safety at the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA), said the airline needed to be placed under close scrutiny after the latest incident, details of which only emerged this week.

The incident took place over Nakhon Sawan when a One-Two-Go aircraft en route from Bangkok to Chiang Mai, erroneously entered the flight ceiling assigned to Nok Airlines' Boeing 737-400, flying from Chiang Rai to Bangkok, causing potential for mid-air collision. Disaster was averted thanks to the TCAS warnings on both aircraft. TCAS _ Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System _ is a computerised avionics device designed to reduce the danger of mid-air collisions between aircraft.

Since January 2005, all commercial aircraft registered in Thailand were required to be fitted with TCAS, which begins to sound off alarm when another flying object is about 10 km away. Mr Wuthichai told the Bangkok Post that the latest incident would require DCA officials to personally carry out checks of the cockpit crew's competence rather than designating pilot trainers to do the job on its behalf. The department will also review safety standards of One-Two-Go's aircraft at its next scheduled inspection.Furthermore, a set of new regulations is being drafted by the DCA requiring foreign pilots working for Thailand-registered airlines to be knowledgeable and go through flight tests on simulators.

According to Mr Wuthichai, initial investigations showed that the One-Two-Go Airlines' pilots were ''negligent'' for not monitoring the flight status, failing to take immediate action when the auto-pilot was disengaged for some reasons that caused the aircraft to stray from its designated flight ceiling of 32,000 feet, to encroach Nok Air's authorised altitude at 33,000 feet.The pilots on the One-Two-Go flight were Indonesians. The pilot who commanded One-Two-Go's Flight OG 269, which crashed at Phuket International Airport that left 89 dead and 41 injured, was also Indonesian.The cockpit staff involved in the incident were grounded for one week by the airline itself after the event and the MD jet was later checked and cleared for service.

DCA director-general Chaisak Angkasuwan said the department had not taken any punitive action against the airline as the incident, in accordance with the internationally practised regulations, was not serious enough to warrant doing so.The One-Two-Go/Nok Air incident was not unique. ''We see incidents of this nature happen ing once a month involving Thailand-registered aircraft operating on domestic and international routes.''One-Two-Go founder and chief executive Udom Tantiprasongchai said it was too early to suggest whether the two aircraft were really in a ''near miss'' situation, or on the path of collision as some news reports indicated, pending investigation reports.''If they were really on a collision path, the whole world should have known soon after it happened,'' he said.Mr Udom said safety was not compromised, insisting that One-Two-Go had gone a long way to enhance its safety standards. ''We are confident in our safety.'' Source Bangkok Post

One-Two-Go returns to Chiang Mai airport after engine problem
source: The Nation Feb 15 2008 One-Two- Go Flight OG 8127 on Friday had to return to Chiang Mai International Airport after taking off only 10 minutes due to technical problem. The flight full of passengers departed at 5.30pm and 10 minutes later passengers were informed there were technical problems and the plane had to return to Chiang Mai Airport to have the machine repaired for an hour. A passenger said the plane shook heavily and air-conditioners had very loud noise while the plane was taking off. There were both Thais and foreigners in the flight. Some waited for another flight of One To Go, which would depart the airport at 10pm, whereas others returned their tickets to divert to other airlines.

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Nok Air cancels flight because of crack on windshield


UBON RATCHATHANI - fEB 20TH 2008 A low-cost Nok Air captain Tuesday morning found a crack on the pilot cabin's windshield thus cancelled the Ubon Ratchathani-Bangkok flight for passengers to change to a new plane before taking the problematic plane back fore repairing at Bangkok's Don Muang Airport.The flight DD9311 plane was about to take off from the Ubon Ratchathani International Airport to Don Munag Airport at 8.35am when the captain noticed a crack on the left corner of the pilot cabin's windshield. He thus notified the 106 passengers onboard and asked them to shift to a THAI flight TG 1023 plane instead, which left the Ubon Ratchathani International Airport at 2.40pm. While most passengers shifted the flight, other 32 refunded their tickets. The captain later brought the problematic plane to Don Muang Airport for repairing. Source: Nation.

Jetstar passengers kicked out of Sydney airport

AAP | Friday, 01 February 2008
Hundreds of airline passengers were left stranded on the footpath outside Sydney Airport overnight after officials enforced a curfew in the wake of a severe electrical storm.
Four domestic Jetstar flights were cancelled and passengers booked on evening services to Melbourne, the Gold Coast and Launceston were caught up in a bureaucratic tangle involving the airline and airport authorities.
The storm that lashed Sydney's west and south-west around the evening peak hours had forced the cancellation of a number of flights until early this morning.As a result, more than 300 marooned Jetstar passengers were turned out of Terminal Two when the airport closed its doors at the curfew time of 11pm.A Jetstar spokesman said some passengers in need of a hotel room were accommodated but stressed that the airline's policy did not require it to assist passengers inconvenienced by adverse weather."As a condition of carriage for weather-related delays, we're not compelled to find accommodation," Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway told AAP.Mr Westaway said Jetstar would today confront airport representatives.
"We want to know the reasons as to why the terminal was shut - to leave people on the footpath rather than inside the terminal, even if they were in a secure area," he said."Unfortunately it was out of our hands."
A Sydney Airport spokeswoman said she was not aware of the incident but confirmed the terminal's 11pm curfew.
"Generally, every evening, we do close the doors," she said.Mr Westaway said the stranded passengers resumed their journeys on flights as early as 6am today and he expected all 300 would be on their way by noon.

Airline passengers today demanded to know why they were locked out of one Sydney airport terminal and told they were not welcome at another. The problems began last night when a storm forced the cancellation of a number of domestic flights until early this morning. As a result, more than 300 Jetstar passengers were stranded and many were forced out of the airport's terminal two complex, which Jetstar said had closed at the curfew time of 11pm (AEDT). A woman, known only as Stacey, said she was forced to curl up with 30 others in a nearby bus shelter until the terminal re-opened at 4am.
"We were three young females left outside in the rain," Stacey told ABC Radio today. "There's got to be some sort of moral responsibility to look after us, not just kick us out and tell us to fend for ourselves." But remember you are flying on a no frills airline?????? [ Send your comments on travel ]


Airline 'held passengers over an hour'

By TOM FITZSIMONS - The Dominion Post | Wednesday, 30 January 2008

Pacific Blue passengers were left steaming after being made to remain on a broken-down aircraft for more than an hour in sweltering conditions at Wellington airport. But remember this is a no frills airline -- - they may not have back up?? available sio if its a business meeting you must attend fly normal airlines?????
Flight DJ3011 sat on the tarmac for more than two hours after its scheduled departure time of 8.25am yesterday.
The plane's 133 passengers were not initially allowed to leave the plane, which was without power or air conditioning, while engineering crews worked to fix engine problems. Outside, the temperature climbed.One passenger, who missed a business meeting in Auckland because of the delay, told The Dominion Post it was about 75 minutes before passengers were let off.
"There was no air-conditioning so it was pretty hot," the passenger said.Pacific Blue says passengers were kept on board for just 30 minutes.Passengers were not told why they had to stay on the plane and grew impatient toward the end, the passenger said.Pacific Blue spokesman Phil Boeyen said the problem was a "minor engineering issue".
He believed passengers were on kept on board for 30 minutes after the scheduled departure time, then they were asked to disembark. Passengers were usually kept on the plane in the hope of a quick solution, he said.

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China snow storms cancel 3250 flights

Reuters | Friday, 01 February 2008

China's worst snow storms in decades forced the cancellation of more than 3,250 flights over six days, the official Xinhua news agency said on Thursday.
The weather also delayed 5550 flights and caused 380 planes to be diverted, Xinhua quoted the General Administration of Civil Aviation of China as saying. But airlines still carried 3.17 million passengers from China's 52 major airports between January 23 and 29, up 11.8 per cent from a year earlier, partly by flying larger planes, Xinhua reported. Authorities said all the country's main airports were open on Thursday after closures earlier in the week, but the national weather forecaster said snow and sleet would continue to hit parts of central, eastern and southern China in the next 10 days.

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Grim outlook for airlines: IATA chief
Source The Nation May 31, 2008

Year-on-year international passenger demand grew by 3 per cent in April, according to the International Air Transport Association (IATA). Capacity growth of 5 per cent saw load factors fall to 75.4 per cent. This is a 1.5-per-cent drop from the 76.9 per cent recorded during the same period last year and the third consecutive monthly year-on-year decline. International cargo demand growth remained sluggish at 3.7 per cent. April figures contain several distortions. The impact of an early Easter holiday in 2008 reduced comparative year-on-year traffic growth by about 2 per cent in April. At the same time, the 10-per-cent transatlantic capacity increase with the commencement of the US-EU Open Skies is estimated to have boosted global traffic by about 1 per cent. Adjusting for these distortions and for leap year, underlying passenger traffic demand increased 4 per cent in April and the three previous months. "The impact of skyrocketing oil prices and weaker economies has made its way to traffic growth. At this time last year we were talking about 6.7-per-cent growth for the first four months of the year. This year it's 4 per cent. There has been a step change downwards," said IATA director general Giovanni Bisignani. Unadjusted traffic figures for April indicate significant differences by region: Europe recorded 1.6-per-cent year-on-year growth, down from the 3.7 per cent recorded in March. North American carriers recorded 3.8-per-cent demand growth in international passenger traffic as capacity continued to shift to international markets. This was outstripped by capacity expansion of 6.2 per cent. Moreover it is down from the 6.3-per-cent year-on-year growth recorded in March.

Asia Pacific carriers saw 2.6-per-cent growth in demand, down from 4.3 per cent in March as a result of the slowing Japanese economy. Particularly impacted were long-haul routes to North America and Europe.

Middle Eastern airlines saw an 11-per-cent increase in traffic due to soaring oil revenues, developing tourism and additional airport and airline capacity.

Latin American airlines saw a 4-per-cent increase. This is down from the 19.7 per cent recorded in March as the impact of the significant industry restructuring in 2007 wears off. Africa continued its free-fall with a 5.6-per-cent contraction in traffic and an 8.7-per-cent reduction in capacity. The sluggish air freight volume growth of 3.7 per cent in April was weaker than the 4.4-per-cent average increase recorded during the first quarter reflecting the impact of the economic slowdown. The EU-US Open Skies agreement provided a modest boost to US airlines, which recorded 6-per-cent growth in April due to extra transatlantic capacity.

Middle Eastern airlines recorded a 15.8-per-cent increase in April due to additional capacity and strong trade in the markets they serve. "Combine slowing growth with skyrocketing oil prices and the industry outlook is grim at best," said Bisignani, as the world's aviation leaders begin to gather in Istanbul for the IATA Annual General Meeting and World Air Transport Summit.

"In 2007 airlines posted a profit of US$5.6 billion (Bt182 billion). This was the first profit after six years in which losses totalled more than $40 billion. To achieve this, we re-engineered the industry," said Bisignani. "On June 1, the industry will mark a 'Simplifying the Business' milestone, having achieved 100-per-cent e-ticketing. It means $3 billion in cost savings and greater convenience everywhere. But there will barely be time to celebrate. Much more change is needed," said Bisignani.
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